at the university of chicago school of business and former chairman of the council of economic advisers in the obama administration. our guest host this morning has been gary stern, continues to be, former president at the federal reserve bank of minneapolis where there's a lot of lakes. and arthur brooks, president -- aren't there? >> yes, there are. >> and arthur -- i knew i had that right. arthur brooks president of aei. >> nailed it. >> american enterprise institute. >> american enterprise institute. >> for young enterprisers. all right. you want to? >> i don't want to take your jobs report away. let's start with mark zandi. what's your number today and why? >> 200,000, it should be a strong report, unemployment should fall to 7.2. i don't think the trend has changed, though. we've been getting 175,000 per month for about three years, i think that's roughly where we are. i don't think we've broken out yet. i think we need stronger gdp growth. and even though we got a good q3 number, we're still growing 2%. i don't think we have enough g the, p to create more jobs. >> jerry, put this in context.